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you know many people have asked me when

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do you think disclosure will happen and

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many people are expect an answer that

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you know maybe in two years or in five

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years or whatever there will be a press

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you know I think that does it more

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simple answer to that is disclosure is

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already happening and we are in the

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middle of it right now this is somewhere

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hey guys I am Ryan Sprague from

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somewhere in the skies and I am Jason

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McClellan from unknown and we are doing

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a const RAV again said today a podcast

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crossover we were both very busy this

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past weekend jason exhausted but busy

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and all for the better because we both

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attended conferences or conventions i

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should say all about ufos and everything

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in between brothers so how was your

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weekend first and foremost where were

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you well certainly exhausting that's how

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these things go especially when you're

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just in the middle of these big

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gatherings of people and running around

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and trying to take it all and it's

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exhausting so it's many days after the

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fact and i'm still sort of sort of

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recovering trying to get my energy back

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but I was in Denver for Denver Comic Con

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for the past I think three or four years

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as a guest and it's just it's a cool

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event man yeah and I I remember when you

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guys did this was it last year you in

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Maurine yeah yeah last year we did a did

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a UFO panel - yeah it was so cool seeing

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finally finally UFOs in a in a comic

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book convention we've been striving for

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this for years and years and you guys

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finally made it happen so I was really

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excited to see that happen last year I'm

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so happy they they asked you guys back

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to do this and we're gonna get into just

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exactly what you guys talked about but I

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wanted to sort of start it off with the

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convention I was at this past weekend

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because honestly man I'm more interested

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to hear about yours well I saw all the

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photos you were posting and and that

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everybody else is posting man that

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looked like a good time it was a good

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time and you know I kind of went into it

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expecting that more than anything more

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than like a serious UFO convention oh

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absolutely it's it's in the name alien

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you know this isn't like what are you

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alien no it's there are aliens and we

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fully embrace this stuff yeah this is

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alien con i believe they're in their

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second or third year now this is in

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pasadena california

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and it's hosted by the ancient aliens

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television show any network and

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prometheus entertainment I believe

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they're called they tried it last year

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fifteen thousand people showed up last

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year and this year they went almost up

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to 25,000 people attended this oh my god

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so you know I I show up I missed the

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first day unfortunately but I showed up

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the second day Saturday and you know

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the event and I show up and the line is

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wrapped around the block and people were

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popular it's definitely in the

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researchers involved which I thought was

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really cool so you did see a lot more of

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ancient aliens or celebrities you saw

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recent Pentagon UFO program story and to

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the Stars Academy and disclosure well

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contributors from ancient aliens a lot

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some work all eggs would have said oh

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fundamental change in the way that this

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politics this isn't a political issue

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Declassified Navy videos so I can say a

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the people that try to go to this tiny

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crazy stuff now you are which was really

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ancient aliens Stephen Bassett our

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lobbying yep Dean Ellie oh no the

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everything in between man we had John

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see in ancient aliens panel with George

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classic Chariots of the Gods and that

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generations of ancient alien theorists

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no matter what you believe in that

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entire prospect of UFOs or aliens of the

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ancient alien theory it was cool to see

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find new tempers we plan the mysteries

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have not been published and here today

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and this is the world we hope we got on

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and Georgia and I wish you wish it

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always these mysterious things

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officially present them to the public

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in the hottest way you know at the end

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of each of my speech in the interim

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speaking oh they always say to the

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do is not the question of believe it or

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not it has nothing to do with religion I

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will turn myself in at the tomb if some

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videos cannot make a kind of sense that

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what I'm doing it's a question of

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knowing not beginning and what we do we

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know things represent things which we

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know they exist of course there is still

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question mark behind the fact is still

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exist the interpretation is something

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different look a fact for example is the

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Book of Ezekiel that fact exists you can

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everyone can read the Book of Ezekiel

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ontology is completely different all to

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use the same manner so we use in fact

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like the Great Pyramid the

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interpretation from archaeological site

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and our suggestions are completely

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different but the facts are the same so

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we all start with faculty and we ask

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questions put the question mark at the

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end we do not say that's awesome yeah

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and I agree that I like what they did

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this year with the variety of guests and

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adding more people from you know more

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UFO researchers and more entertainment

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really was just like ancient aliens

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convention and with some random like 70s

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and 80s TV stars yes you know people I'd

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never heard of and you know well I see

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what they're going for they're trying to

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do like a comic-con type thing but not

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really so yeah I questioned it last year

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just exploded and it looked like they

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did a right man and they do set it up

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just like a comic-con I mean they've got

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room was in saying you could barely move

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whole time what really surprised me man

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and what was really cool is this wasn't

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you know UFO people and I'm not saying

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there's anything wrong with that

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they loved ancient aliens they loved

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aliens in general and they just loved

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the whole aesthetic of that and the

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possibility of life elsewhere so I mean

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you did you had cosplay everywhere

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didn't even cross my mind that there

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would be cosplay at that event that is

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so around everything everything you

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could think of and I mean oh man I sold

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there to consume to find information and

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to have a good time so right it far

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exceeded my expectations Mary McDonald

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she's always cool she did a in episode

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of her podcast where she brings on all

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women in sci-fi so that was really cool

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oh yeah she had she had gates mcfadden

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crumbs from Star Trek right correct

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gates mcfadden um they had a few other

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people I think even Linda Moulton Howe

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showed up for that to speak so that was

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cool the big drawers I will say though

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this year besides Giorgio obviously were

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mich Pileggi and David Duchovny for

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x-files yeah that was a good time the

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lines for that to get autographs and

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photos were in sane I mean I believe it

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five six hours just among these girls

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can you imagine but they also did a a

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panel Mitch and David about 25 years

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later of the x-files so that was cool I

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got to sit on and that I got some nice

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25 years of the x-files 11 seasons 218

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excited I have never had that before on

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a stick and a few more things to say

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dancers exactly I know I felt a lot of

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barrage of feelings there's a lot of

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death a lot of reveals a lot of

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surprises what were your respective

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first impressions of reading the script

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for the first time last episode yeah I

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thought it was really good I was I was

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very happy with it and it's funny

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because the thing at the end you know

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with with Skinner out of the car I had

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said to Chris when we were New York

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comic-con has said when Jillian had

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announced that she wasn't doing any more

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I said well let's kill scare I said yeah

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I said you're walking back we're walking

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back from the from the thing back to the

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hotel and I said I said to Chris okay

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well Jillian says she's not coming back

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let's let let's have Skinner glide and a

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blaze of glory doing something heroic

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and I and he goes I don't think I want

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to do that and then he started thinking

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about it I guess and then

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that I went back to the hotel and I

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immediately called him I said you know

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the thing about killing Skinner I may be

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gods my feeling about the whole thing

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and it's I don't think it'll be popular

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but I feel like and you know I

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understand the connection with the fans

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I I want that I think it's it's it's a

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beautiful thing but I also think that

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what we're making is a mystery you know

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we're we're making something that we

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want to be surprising and to be to be

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enjoyed for the first time and the only

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time the only first time you can get not

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the only time you can go back or

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whatever but you know the firt not to

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know anything about it not to be and

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it's to me that's always my kind of push

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and pull with social media or

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behind-the-scenes stuff it's like no I

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want I want I want people to be

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surprised when they see that stupid

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[\h__\h] blobfish is trending on a bit of

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the

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you know so that's kind of my thing so I

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you know maybe I'm ornery I don't know

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but I like I like the magic there's no

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mystery and there's no mr. I like the

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magic of we're making this thing behind

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a curtain you know we're all working

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really hard to give you something that's

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going to be really entertaining and and

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surprising and now here it is and now

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later we can talk about the blobfish

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or whatever but that's that's kind of

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and it's old-school I guess but forgive

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me and we got to hear all about how

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season 11 went what it was like the past

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25 years hopping into these characters

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again and possibly where the show might

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be heading next so it was a really

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really good time and then I gave my talk

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it was called a human approach to an

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alien phenomenon was the last event of

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the entire convention so I wasn't even

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sure if anyone was going to show up it

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was right Thursday and everyone was sort

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of winding down at this point but I'm

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not kidding you man there's probably a

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solid four or 500 people who showed up

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and listen to me blab for over an hour

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and a half and that's awesome it was

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great I had tons of people come up to me

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after and tell me their UFO stories you

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know the talk was all about like the

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human side of it kind of like the book

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and you know people who've had these

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these experiences in their lives and how

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it impacts them so it clearly impacted

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these people yeah I stayed in the room

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after for like an hour just chatting it

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up with people so amazing so much fun

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and I know they're now expanding and

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doing one on the East Coast this night

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or in bulk you know maybe maybe people

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see some familiar faces they're in

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Baltimore in November we'll see yeah

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that's cool man I mean it's always

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ambitious when you know these organizers

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have a successful event and they decide

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to branch out like that and do two

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events but you got to give got to give

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the other Co some love too so we are

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going to dive into the one I'm most

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excited about and that was Denver table

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it ended this weekend so tell me all

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about Denver Comic Con and how you sort

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of got I guess involved with this and

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how you've got these panels on UFOs

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finally at a comic book convention

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sure so Denver Comic Con is it's pretty

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rad I mean they've got they've got a

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good thing going there I mean

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you know pretty much every city in the

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country has a comic-con now and they

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vary widely in size but Denver's done a

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really good job they've they've only had

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their sense since 2012 and so this was

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our seventh year but if I'm remembering

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correctly I think even in their second

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year of having this event they were

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already at like 100,000 people so very

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successful for them it's put on by a

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nonprofit organization called pop

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culture classroom so the educational

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component is pretty important to them

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for their event so several years ago a

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friend of ours reached out to us Tim Tim

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Ian and our colleague Maureen Elsberry

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because he was a fan of the web series

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we were doing spacing out and everything

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we were doing at open minds so he

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reached out and asked if we would be

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interested in coming out to Denver Comic

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Con to be on some panels so you know we

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jumped at that because we're we're big

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big geeks and we love that scene and you

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know like you are big focus with a lot

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of what we do and UFO research and UFO

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journalism is targeting the the general

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public that audience that's not the

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typical UFO crowd because we want to

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introduce people to these topics to the

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research that's been done and kind of

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lay it out for people so they can get

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interested and start doing research on

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their own you know getting this new

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generation of researchers and people

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actively involved in UFO research the

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perfect audience for us so last year we

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dove into UFOs and we did we did a panel

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on I think we called it like real-life

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x-files and when we were going to the

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the room where the panel was going to be

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so we could get set up we saw a huge

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line of people and we saw a room next to

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the the ballroom we were gonna be in

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filled with people like in in a line

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like going through all of the the crowd

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control barriers and stuff like

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zigzagging through and just filling this

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room well what is going on and we asked

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like one of the volunteers there and

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they're all yeah they're waiting for the

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next panel well man this sucks because

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clearly they think that like David

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Duchovny or Julianne Anderson is going

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to be here they think it's like an

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x-files panel man this is embarrassing

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but no we went in the room filled up

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they turned people away because they

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didn't have enough room for all these

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people it's interesting because in the

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past Oh

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five six seven years we've seen a flood

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of releases of UFO FILES

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from really all of our our departments

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from the CIA the FBI the Air Force these

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guys are all independently investigated

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UFOs

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and these files are available to the

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public and the CIA especially with the

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revival of the x-files try to capitalize

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on it last year when they published you

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know some of their their x-files and

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said see what's in our real x-files

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if you want to read 80,000 pages of

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really boring text it's pretty be my

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guest

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yeah and the FBI has a digital reading

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room they call it the vault I think

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where you can go and and type in UFO and

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find their files too of course you know

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with no idea if they've actually

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released all the UFO files probably not

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certainly not good stuff but how many of

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you saw just the last week about the the

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UK UK Ministry of Defense's UFO files

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okay so the mo D the Ministry of Defence

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actively investigated UFOs for a long

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period of time and they had something

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they called the Flying Saucer Working

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Party and through that they developed

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the UFO desk

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they had something

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a post called the UFO desk where they

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had a team assigned to actively receive

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UFO reports and investigate those

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reports and over the past several years

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they've gone through a process through

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because of a spawned by a Freedom of

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Information request they've released in

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batches their UFO files the audience

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there was just so cool they were really

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into it they wanted to hear more they

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asked so many questions they were really

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engaged and after the event we found out

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that that particular panel was the

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largest outside panel that they've ever

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had a dimmer comic-con lasso they saw

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that you know there's this hunger for

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that that the topic you know of

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paranormal of extraterrestrial of UFOs

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so when we were invited back this year

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they wanted more of that so we did two

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panels focused on that one was UFOs in

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pop culture and the other was government

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paranormal research and we did the

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government paranormal research was the

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first panel we did we did that on Friday

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and that was me Maureen and Jeremy

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Korbel investigative filmmaker Jeremy

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Korbel and Jeremy was a busy guy there -

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got him roped into all sorts of panels

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and he also did a couple solo

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presentations on his upcoming films he

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did one on his bob lazar film and one on

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his skinwalker ranch film when you try

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to study something like the skinwalker

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ranch

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you've got to cast a really wide net

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because ultimately this mystery Widow

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what the hell adays you know there's

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more to a story and you're not allowed

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to talk about it that's a human burden

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yeah I mean it was it was frustrating in

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the beginning because column and Bob

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Bigelow would tell me these stories

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about what was going on the property and

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I couldn't tell anyone there's a lot

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uncovering all of this huh

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so for Wellman this is stuff material

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that's specific to the ranch I saved

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every scrap of paper ever since dr.

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Colin

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her Bob Bigelow sort of brought me into

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the loop is there more to tell now

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there's a lot more to tell this is 30 or

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40 hours of material that the public has

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never seen before sort of like a veil of

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secrecy we are being manipulated by some

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kind of an intelligence the things that

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happened on the ranch are real what we

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don't know is who is responsible and

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what the game plan is but he was on the

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government paranormal research panel

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with us too and again super packed room

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full of very engaged audience members

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they were read after the pet after the

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the panel the table like the stage was

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swarmed with people who just wanted to

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talk and you know ask us questions tell

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stories things like that but at Denver

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Comic Con that schedule is so tight that

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as soon as the panel's over they clear

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the room and they've got like five

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minutes to the next panel

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so you know you don't want to be a dick

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to the the next people giving they're an

542
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:35,710
elite in to their time it's not fair so

543
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:37,810
we just got to the point where we tell

544
00:23:41,550 --> 00:23:40,090
people all right we'd love to talk with

545
00:23:43,340 --> 00:23:41,560
you but let's go out we're gonna be out

546
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,350
in the hall come and see us out there

547
00:23:49,740 --> 00:23:46,000
they did people would come up and want

548
00:23:53,490 --> 00:23:49,750
to talk so that was really cool the UFOs

549
00:23:56,250 --> 00:23:53,500
in pop culture panel we had Jessica

550
00:23:59,490 --> 00:23:56,260
Chobot and Andrew Bowser from the

551
00:24:00,750 --> 00:23:59,500
Nerdist podcast bizarre States and they

552
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:00,760
were on with me and Maureen and

553
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:05,170
moderated by geek culture icon Bonnie

554
00:24:10,830 --> 00:24:08,290
Burton who writes for Playboy and CNET

555
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:10,840
she used to work for Lucasfilm she's

556
00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:13,810
awesome and knows a lot about UFOs and

557
00:24:18,570 --> 00:24:16,750
pop culture but that was a more

558
00:24:23,580 --> 00:24:18,580
lighthearted kind of fun panel talking

559
00:24:25,620 --> 00:24:23,590
about how UFOs like alleged real UFO

560
00:24:28,890 --> 00:24:25,630
events have influenced Hollywood how

561
00:24:32,460 --> 00:24:28,900
Hollywood has influenced our perception

562
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:32,470
of UFOs and extraterrestrials and what

563
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:35,250
role the government has played in

564
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:38,080
influencing what Hollywood puts out

565
00:24:42,330 --> 00:24:40,210
that's so cool I mean ie

566
00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:42,340
that that idea of like this hyper

567
00:24:46,260 --> 00:24:44,590
reality of like which which came first

568
00:24:47,070 --> 00:24:46,270
you know the chicken or the egg with

569
00:24:49,109 --> 00:24:47,080
Holly

570
00:24:50,940 --> 00:24:49,119
that's always really intrigued me most

571
00:24:54,539 --> 00:24:50,950
and it's funny you mentioned that

572
00:24:57,919 --> 00:24:54,549
because Dean Alioto the filmmaker did a

573
00:25:00,539 --> 00:24:57,929
did a couple panels at our con and roped

574
00:25:02,220 --> 00:25:00,549
alejandro rojas and myself up there to

575
00:25:05,310 --> 00:25:02,230
get up there and talk about that very

576
00:25:06,749 --> 00:25:05,320
topic as well putting UFOs and what I

577
00:25:07,979 --> 00:25:06,759
found most interesting I don't know if

578
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:07,989
it was the same with the audience at

579
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:11,200
yours was that when we were telling them

580
00:25:16,289 --> 00:25:13,450
about these you know intrinsically

581
00:25:18,419 --> 00:25:16,299
linked things between you know the

582
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,429
Roswell case in the flying saucer film

583
00:25:22,289 --> 00:25:20,559
that came you know months after it or do

584
00:25:24,389 --> 00:25:22,299
you look at like The Day the Earth Stood

585
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,399
Still the CIA being directly involved

586
00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:26,559
with that film or like all the way up to

587
00:25:32,190 --> 00:25:30,070
Close Encounters et and even

588
00:25:34,970 --> 00:25:32,200
Independence Day like the people from

589
00:25:38,369 --> 00:25:34,980
area 51 having to say in that movie

590
00:25:40,919 --> 00:25:38,379
people were astounded and had no idea

591
00:25:43,529 --> 00:25:40,929
and again what I think is interesting is

592
00:25:45,509 --> 00:25:43,539
these are not UFO people quote-unquote

593
00:25:47,549 --> 00:25:45,519
so they don't know all these stories

594
00:25:50,249 --> 00:25:47,559
that we embed ourselves in on a daily

595
00:25:51,869 --> 00:25:50,259
basis so their minds were like blown

596
00:25:53,779 --> 00:25:51,879
that these things we were telling them

597
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:53,789
it was it the same at your event

598
00:25:58,340 --> 00:25:56,559
absolutely I mean you certainly have you

599
00:26:01,229 --> 00:25:58,350
know some audience members who are

600
00:26:03,570 --> 00:26:01,239
familiar with some of these things and

601
00:26:06,629 --> 00:26:03,580
you know you can tell by the questions

602
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:06,639
they ask but for the most part you know

603
00:26:10,409 --> 00:26:07,600
a lot of these people are here in this

604
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,419
stuff for the very first time you know

605
00:26:15,180 --> 00:26:12,159
even people who were when we started

606
00:26:19,229 --> 00:26:15,190
talking about some of the most recent

607
00:26:21,090 --> 00:26:19,239
government UFO studies people had sort

608
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:21,100
of remembered seeing it in the news but

609
00:26:25,259 --> 00:26:23,289
they didn't know any sort of details

610
00:26:27,539 --> 00:26:25,269
about it and you know still didn't know

611
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:27,549
that Harry Reid was involved or or that

612
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:28,960
this was even something that was

613
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,129
confirmed you know they thought it was

614
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:32,080
just another you know silly story or

615
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,090
something but we'd get totally unrelated

616
00:26:36,989 --> 00:26:35,919
questions to things that we've been

617
00:26:38,849 --> 00:26:36,999
talking about I mean we didn't mention

618
00:26:40,590 --> 00:26:38,859
the Phoenix lights at all or particular

619
00:26:42,180 --> 00:26:40,600
sightings but you know we get questions

620
00:26:43,409 --> 00:26:42,190
about you know what we thought of the

621
00:26:45,810 --> 00:26:43,419
Phoenix lights and things like that so

622
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,820
it was really cool that's awesome now um

623
00:26:50,639 --> 00:26:47,679
I have to ask you about the government

624
00:26:53,399 --> 00:26:50,649
government and UFO panel did this focus

625
00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:53,409
more on the you know the current stuff

626
00:26:59,099 --> 00:26:55,929
the Pentagon program and skinwalker and

627
00:27:01,030 --> 00:26:59,109
all that or did did Jeremy and you guys

628
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:01,040
did you sort of trace it back as well

629
00:27:06,220 --> 00:27:04,130
so being that I had Jeremy on the panel

630
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:06,230
I wanted to focus a lot on the current

631
00:27:10,060 --> 00:27:08,690
stuff okay you know certainly and and

632
00:27:12,610 --> 00:27:10,070
with him there to talk about his

633
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:12,620
skinwalker film that was perfect we

634
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:14,510
wanted to spend you know about half of

635
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:17,840
our time talking about skinwalker but

636
00:27:22,180 --> 00:27:20,690
the we let it off and you know the

637
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:22,190
government's been involved in so many

638
00:27:27,580 --> 00:27:25,490
quote-unquote paranormal studies that

639
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:27,590
you know you could talk for days about

640
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:30,890
that but we had our limited time or 50

641
00:27:34,690 --> 00:27:33,110
minutes or whatever it was so we had to

642
00:27:38,290 --> 00:27:34,700
pick and choose and just kind of do a

643
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:38,300
brief overview but if I decided to start

644
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,360
with like MKULTRA and talk about you

645
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:44,000
know like mind control and and remote

646
00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:45,530
viewing and stuff like that

647
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:48,350
and we moved into the UFOs because we

648
00:27:51,940 --> 00:27:49,970
really wanted to focus on UFOs because I

649
00:27:54,340 --> 00:27:51,950
love talking about UFO so you know we

650
00:27:56,850 --> 00:27:54,350
certainly started talking about sign and

651
00:27:59,160 --> 00:27:56,860
grudge and Bluebook kind of glossed over

652
00:28:01,950 --> 00:27:59,170
things like the common committee

653
00:28:05,290 --> 00:28:01,960
Robertson panel but that led us into

654
00:28:08,590 --> 00:28:05,300
current day or at least officially

655
00:28:11,170 --> 00:28:08,600
recent UFO studies so a tip and the and

656
00:28:12,940 --> 00:28:11,180
the like so that was our sort of

657
00:28:14,890 --> 00:28:12,950
blueprint for the panel and it mostly

658
00:28:16,690 --> 00:28:14,900
stuck to that but yeah I wanted to

659
00:28:19,150 --> 00:28:16,700
primarily spend the time on on

660
00:28:21,130 --> 00:28:19,160
skinwalker because that is like the

661
00:28:23,860 --> 00:28:21,140
hodgepodge of everything that was

662
00:28:26,140 --> 00:28:23,870
researched by the government so and that

663
00:28:28,570 --> 00:28:26,150
blew people's minds that's really cool

664
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:28,580
and the entire group you actually got to

665
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:31,970
go visit the Stanley Hotel which people

666
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:33,850
may recognize from the shining

667
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:36,170
terrifying I spoke to a paranormal

668
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:37,610
investigator who spent like three years

669
00:28:44,290 --> 00:28:40,490
investigating that that place and I

670
00:28:46,510 --> 00:28:44,300
can't imagine what that was like so what

671
00:28:48,970 --> 00:28:46,520
was it like going to like one of the

672
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:48,980
most haunted places ever with these

673
00:28:52,450 --> 00:28:51,170
people and what did they think about all

674
00:28:54,190 --> 00:28:52,460
that I'm interested to know what the

675
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:54,200
hosts of bizarre States what they think

676
00:28:57,940 --> 00:28:56,090
about all this you have those stuff well

677
00:29:00,130 --> 00:28:57,950
there's certainly super into it you know

678
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:00,140
they focus a lot of their podcasts on it

679
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:02,510
and you know I've interviewed Jessica

680
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:05,810
Chobot before on spacing out and you

681
00:29:12,370 --> 00:29:09,290
know she's had a at least one UFO

682
00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:12,380
experience before so I mean she's she's

683
00:29:16,489 --> 00:29:14,940
all about it all about the strange but

684
00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:16,499
you know she approaches it like I think

685
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:18,299
a lot of people do and that is and

686
00:29:22,609 --> 00:29:20,460
perhaps myself included but you know

687
00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:22,619
they look into these things because

688
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:25,470
they're just fascinated by the unknown

689
00:29:30,259 --> 00:29:28,049
by unexplained things and they like like

690
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:30,269
that that journey of just like looking

691
00:29:33,229 --> 00:29:31,679
into it and following it and seeing

692
00:29:35,239 --> 00:29:33,239
where it goes

693
00:29:37,219 --> 00:29:35,249
they were certainly there longer than we

694
00:29:39,139 --> 00:29:37,229
work they went up in in the morning and

695
00:29:41,239 --> 00:29:39,149
I don't think they had a good experience

696
00:29:43,399 --> 00:29:41,249
there their most recent episode of

697
00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:43,409
bizarre States they pretty much complain

698
00:29:47,419 --> 00:29:45,960
about their entire trip so you can you

699
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:47,429
can hear about it from them all right

700
00:29:50,989 --> 00:29:49,080
well let's shift gears into the Stanley

701
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:50,999
Hotel because we finally got to go down

702
00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:54,690
there everybody and that was interesting

703
00:29:59,089 --> 00:29:56,849
all right you ready I'm up well here's

704
00:30:00,769 --> 00:29:59,099
the only thing we are experienced with

705
00:30:03,349 --> 00:30:00,779
them just in the communication that

706
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:03,359
we've had in trying to film there

707
00:30:08,289 --> 00:30:06,210
they've said time and time again we're

708
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,299
trying to move away from the

709
00:30:13,789 --> 00:30:10,799
supernatural history of this place are

710
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:13,799
capitalizing too much on that angle for

711
00:30:18,379 --> 00:30:16,440
for tourism then you get there and it's

712
00:30:20,539 --> 00:30:18,389
just [\h__\h] ghost [\h__\h] ghost [\h__\h] ghost

713
00:30:21,769 --> 00:30:20,549
[\h__\h] ghost [\h__\h] they're not moving away

714
00:30:22,369 --> 00:30:21,779
from it so what the [\h__\h] were they

715
00:30:24,729 --> 00:30:22,379
talking about

716
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:24,739
oh the Yanks are named after the [\h__\h]

717
00:30:29,299 --> 00:30:27,570
Redrum from The Shining their gift shop

718
00:30:31,399 --> 00:30:29,309
is full of ghosts books and paranormal

719
00:30:33,259 --> 00:30:31,409
[\h__\h] the thing when we walked in was

720
00:30:36,619 --> 00:30:33,269
there's a giant seance happening tonight

721
00:30:38,629 --> 00:30:36,629
like I don't get what been feeding us

722
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,639
for you know over a year when you get

723
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,559
there and they're like jolliest we call

724
00:30:46,729 --> 00:30:43,200
gays yeah I mean the funny thing is I

725
00:30:49,310 --> 00:30:46,739
was so amped to go up there and we went

726
00:30:55,159 --> 00:30:49,320
right after being at Comic Con all

727
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:55,169
weekend so we were dead absolutely dead

728
00:31:00,049 --> 00:30:57,090
you like rolling into this haunted hotel

729
00:31:04,129 --> 00:31:00,059
and we're all where's the bed I want to

730
00:31:06,919 --> 00:31:04,139
sleep yeah no it wasn't the the ideal

731
00:31:09,349 --> 00:31:06,929
situation for ghost hunting and we

732
00:31:11,899 --> 00:31:09,359
missed the they do they do ghost ghost

733
00:31:14,029 --> 00:31:11,909
tours there too and we missed the ghost

734
00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:14,039
tour because we were too late getting up

735
00:31:19,009 --> 00:31:16,409
there so we just kind of walked around

736
00:31:21,999 --> 00:31:19,019
and stuff and and I was too too tired to

737
00:31:24,259 --> 00:31:22,009
you know really be perceptive enough to

738
00:31:27,259 --> 00:31:24,269
see anything out of the ordinary or

739
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:27,269
sense anything so I had no experiences

740
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:28,290
at the Stanley

741
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:30,450
but yeah they're great stories and it's

742
00:31:34,940 --> 00:31:32,490
a rad place I mean it's super old it it

743
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,950
has you know all that atmosphere that

744
00:31:39,980 --> 00:31:37,200
you want you know super old super cool

745
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:39,990
looking but you know nothing that would

746
00:31:42,620 --> 00:31:41,370
remind you of the shining because they

747
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:42,630
didn't actually film The Shining there

748
00:31:47,030 --> 00:31:44,850
just is was the inspiration for Stephen

749
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:47,040
King to write The Shining so if you go

750
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:48,450
into it expecting that you're gonna be

751
00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:50,850
disappointed but uh no it's it's still a

752
00:31:56,150 --> 00:31:53,700
rad old hotel it's super honored yeah

753
00:31:59,900 --> 00:31:56,160
yeah that's so cool I hope to get there

754
00:32:02,060 --> 00:31:59,910
someday someday in the near future

755
00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:02,070
need to do some ghost-hunting anyway yes

756
00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:03,960
I love ghost haunting you know ghost

757
00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:05,640
hunting spawn I mean I love sky watching

758
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:07,860
too with sky watching you know you just

759
00:32:11,210 --> 00:32:09,690
stare at the sky where she's ghost

760
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:11,220
hunting you've got some cool toys to

761
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:14,640
play with so that's fun and I recently

762
00:32:18,410 --> 00:32:16,530
got a full-spectrum camera so I wanted

763
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,420
to try that out but I didn't actually

764
00:32:22,580 --> 00:32:20,880
get to bust it out and do any anything

765
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:22,590
with it but that'll happen sometime but

766
00:32:26,420 --> 00:32:24,090
ya know I mean I've had some fun

767
00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:26,430
experiences ghosts on things so same

768
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:28,470
here man again I think it's just opening

769
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:30,510
up your mind to other things we get so

770
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:33,360
so entrenched in the UFO stuff all the

771
00:32:37,460 --> 00:32:35,340
time that we got to remember there's

772
00:32:38,660 --> 00:32:37,470
other weird stuff out there yeah

773
00:32:41,150 --> 00:32:38,670
absolutely

774
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:41,160
yeah and I'm all about it man I love the

775
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,260
weird yeah well what I thought was

776
00:32:47,270 --> 00:32:45,360
really cool at least in my event um you

777
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,280
know they sort of pack all the talent

778
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,440
people into like rooms for breakfast

779
00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:51,840
lunch and dinner and I only got to talk

780
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,630
with several of the people I did not

781
00:32:59,270 --> 00:32:57,600
record them unfortunately I didn't have

782
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,280
the equipment at the time to do it but

783
00:33:03,740 --> 00:33:01,440
you know I was I had breakfast with

784
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:03,750
Mitch pileggi Skinner from the x-files

785
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:06,690
and you know he he asked me what I did

786
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:10,410
and he was super interested and he you

787
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:11,700
know he's just shaking his head he's

788
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:13,410
like wow he's like you know we do this

789
00:33:17,660 --> 00:33:15,930
on TV but to know there's actual people

790
00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:17,670
out there doing this stuff like

791
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:20,760
investigating UFOs and that they people

792
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:22,530
have actually seen stuff he's like

793
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:24,360
that's really amazing to me so I asked

794
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:25,890
Sam I'm like do you believe any of it

795
00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:28,740
like no none of it but it's still really

796
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:30,840
cool knowing that people are out there

797
00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:33,570
pursuing a truth that they're searching

798
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:36,510
for so that really invigorated me that

799
00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:38,770
even these people who you know

800
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:40,750
we are actors and just doing their job

801
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:44,350
they respect the fandom first and

802
00:33:48,299 --> 00:33:46,510
foremost that them who they are but they

803
00:33:50,580 --> 00:33:48,309
also respect the people that kind of

804
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:50,590
their their characters are based around

805
00:33:55,740 --> 00:33:53,710
in a very broad sense but I thought that

806
00:33:59,280 --> 00:33:55,750
was really cool as well something that

807
00:34:02,250 --> 00:33:59,290
you know really got me excited to hear

808
00:34:05,390 --> 00:34:02,260
was I think this was in our UFOs in pop

809
00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:05,400
culture panel there were a couple of

810
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:08,020
teenage girls in the audience and they

811
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:10,510
asked a question but I'm trying to

812
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:11,530
remember what it was it was something

813
00:34:16,050 --> 00:34:14,110
along the lines of like no I think we'd

814
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:16,060
asked people about like you know the

815
00:34:19,350 --> 00:34:17,440
ridicule factor we'd mentioned something

816
00:34:22,050 --> 00:34:19,360
about the stigma surrounding the UFO

817
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:22,060
topic and these girls you know these

818
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:23,919
teenage girls were saying that like

819
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,570
younger people you know it's not a big

820
00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:28,000
deal to them they just like are happy to

821
00:34:30,899 --> 00:34:29,800
accept it and I thought that is so

822
00:34:32,730 --> 00:34:30,909
that's so rad

823
00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:32,740
I love that the younger mindset you know

824
00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:35,320
and we've got questions of course about

825
00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:37,929
like what would confirmation of

826
00:34:40,619 --> 00:34:39,460
extraterrestrial life due to religion

827
00:34:42,990 --> 00:34:40,629
and you know all the stuff that we're

828
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:43,000
used to hearing but it was it was really

829
00:34:46,530 --> 00:34:44,800
cool when we were talking about just

830
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,540
people being able to accept it or

831
00:34:50,669 --> 00:34:48,399
whatever and these girls are all yeah

832
00:34:53,010 --> 00:34:50,679
yeah we kind of already do like people

833
00:34:55,379 --> 00:34:53,020
our age it's not not a big deal well

834
00:34:57,900 --> 00:34:55,389
yeah go young people yes that's a good

835
00:35:00,510 --> 00:34:57,910
point man the younger generation they're

836
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,520
like they they're they're ready they're

837
00:35:04,650 --> 00:35:02,800
ready for this stuff and it's it's

838
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:04,660
almost a given to them I mean look at

839
00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:06,910
like what happened on Mars what last

840
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:09,670
week the discoveries of the the organics

841
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:11,710
and the phosphorus and like we're

842
00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:14,410
inching closer and closer to either

843
00:35:20,190 --> 00:35:16,630
finding ancient life on another planet

844
00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:20,200
or possible you know current microbial

845
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:22,270
life so again you know it's not these

846
00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:24,490
little gray men that some of the the

847
00:35:29,130 --> 00:35:26,260
people on our planet believe are

848
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:29,140
visiting us but it's a step in the right

849
00:35:33,050 --> 00:35:30,910
direction and at the end of the day like

850
00:35:35,370 --> 00:35:33,060
that's all we want is the truth

851
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:35,380
ticket sort of x-files about it we just

852
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:36,850
want the truth no matter what that truth

853
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:39,250
might be and it was on our government

854
00:35:44,010 --> 00:35:42,160
paranormal research panel Jeremy asked

855
00:35:46,380 --> 00:35:44,020
the audience you said would you guys

856
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:46,390
freak out if you found out that aliens

857
00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:48,130
are real everybody's all know he's all

858
00:35:53,330 --> 00:35:50,630
are you ready for the truth oh yeah

859
00:35:57,230 --> 00:35:53,340
yes you would now bring up bring on

860
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:57,240
aliens bring about on stage yeah that's

861
00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:01,440
good we have here right right

862
00:36:08,570 --> 00:36:03,990
governor Fife Symington styler yeah polo

863
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:08,580
Symington yeah I actually I also spoke I

864
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:10,260
want to get your thoughts on this before

865
00:36:15,020 --> 00:36:12,690
we sort of wrap things up Grayson um the

866
00:36:17,780 --> 00:36:15,030
whole ancient alien theory now I went

867
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,790
into this event being like Oh God like I

868
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:19,680
don't watch ancient aliens I'm not

869
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:22,530
really a big proponent of this idea you

870
00:36:30,890 --> 00:36:26,160
know they're in what seizing up 53 of

871
00:36:33,140 --> 00:36:30,900
this thing right yeah so I I kind of had

872
00:36:36,110 --> 00:36:33,150
that sour stench in my mouth going into

873
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:36,120
it so when I got there I realized oh

874
00:36:41,180 --> 00:36:38,730
okay so this isn't just about ancient

875
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:41,190
aliens cool check one off the list this

876
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:44,370
is a ray and then I actually when I was

877
00:36:47,780 --> 00:36:47,010
signing in I met up with a guy named Ray

878
00:36:49,970 --> 00:36:47,790
miramanee

879
00:36:52,610 --> 00:36:49,980
who is a Egyptologist and a

880
00:36:55,820 --> 00:36:52,620
documentarian on ancient aliens really

881
00:36:58,540 --> 00:36:55,830
cool young dude super energetic and and

882
00:37:01,490 --> 00:36:58,550
I asked him straight up I'm like so what

883
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:01,500
what is it about this show that you

884
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:03,780
think really appeals to people and has

885
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:06,090
made it last so long and he said it's

886
00:37:11,330 --> 00:37:08,910
it's the idea of you know sort of

887
00:37:14,290 --> 00:37:11,340
throwing out everything you've ever been

888
00:37:17,630 --> 00:37:14,300
taught or been forced to think about and

889
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:17,640
rethink it reshape it and remould it and

890
00:37:21,350 --> 00:37:19,560
I was like okay I'm totally done for

891
00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:21,360
that that's cool and then I asked him

892
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:24,180
like do you believe that aliens built

893
00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:26,850
the pyramids or did this or did that and

894
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,920
you know he straight-up told me he's

895
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:30,960
like I'm an Egyptologist like I've been

896
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:33,510
studying this my entire life he said no

897
00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:36,450
I do not believe aliens built the

898
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:38,790
pyramids in Egypt he said what we try to

899
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:40,710
convey on the show and what a lot of

900
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:43,920
people misrepresented as is that it's

901
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:46,320
possible that there were some sort of

902
00:37:51,530 --> 00:37:48,510
intervention maybe at one point in time

903
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:51,540
maybe in many that some sort of

904
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,110
intelligence from some other place but

905
00:37:59,090 --> 00:37:56,880
maybe planet maybe universe maybe

906
00:38:02,000 --> 00:37:59,100
dimension whatever spoke to the

907
00:38:04,070 --> 00:38:02,010
Egyptians and sort of you know nudge

908
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:04,080
them along or gave them vision

909
00:38:09,380 --> 00:38:07,050
there gave them messages about how to do

910
00:38:11,420 --> 00:38:09,390
these things so you know he I really

911
00:38:13,610 --> 00:38:11,430
respected that it wasn't aliens came and

912
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:13,620
built the pyramids forgetting about the

913
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:15,930
the vast history and knowledge of the

914
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:17,970
Egyptians being not able to do that

915
00:38:20,780 --> 00:38:19,770
themselves so I thought that actually

916
00:38:23,180 --> 00:38:20,790
really

917
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,190
I learned something my first stay there

918
00:38:26,570 --> 00:38:24,960
about the whole ancient theory that kind

919
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:26,580
of changed my mind about it that yeah

920
00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:28,140
maybe it is possible that they had

921
00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:29,700
visions we hear about this in every

922
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:31,260
culture leading up to their

923
00:38:35,870 --> 00:38:33,720
technological Renaissance as it were so

924
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:35,880
I found that pretty interesting what are

925
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:37,530
your thoughts on the whole ancient alien

926
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:39,090
thing I've never really asked you that

927
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:41,130
well certainly when it comes to the show

928
00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:44,850
I when it when it first started I gave

929
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:48,660
it a shot because I love history and I

930
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:50,700
love aliens so you know I thought this

931
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:52,980
is perfect and I love the the historical

932
00:38:59,950 --> 00:38:56,610
aspect to the show but you know if they

933
00:39:02,480 --> 00:38:59,960
really did stick to opposing

934
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:02,490
possibilities that would be just fine

935
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:05,010
but that's not really what happens and

936
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:07,110
they they they do it in in creative ways

937
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:10,410
but several of the the contributors you

938
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:12,930
know phrase things as saying like there

939
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:14,490
couldn't be any other way except that

940
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:17,280
extraterrestrials did this so you know I

941
00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:18,720
think a lot of people gravitate towards

942
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:21,180
it because it's providing answers you

943
00:39:25,550 --> 00:39:22,770
know and I think that's dangerous

944
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:25,560
because we don't have the answers to

945
00:39:31,220 --> 00:39:27,810
give people these are possibilities but

946
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:31,230
people are you know blindly listening to

947
00:39:34,340 --> 00:39:32,850
what these people are telling them on TV

948
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:34,350
because these are experts and they're

949
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:37,320
showing all these cool historical photos

950
00:39:41,930 --> 00:39:39,570
and things and presenting it in a way

951
00:39:44,030 --> 00:39:41,940
that this act this absolutely happened

952
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,040
this way with extraterrestrials so I

953
00:39:49,010 --> 00:39:46,560
don't like that and I think you know

954
00:39:53,090 --> 00:39:49,020
it's done a little bit of damage in

955
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:53,100
terms of the public's perception of UFOs

956
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:55,410
because an extra extraterrestrials

957
00:40:02,600 --> 00:39:59,520
because this show in the general public

958
00:40:05,180 --> 00:40:02,610
is viewed as this you know it's a silly

959
00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:05,190
meme it really is like everything and

960
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:07,380
every every legitimate UFO story that

961
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:08,880
comes out anything that about

962
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:11,130
extraterrestrial life or the possibility

963
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:14,250
of life on other planets you know we

964
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:16,110
always see the Georgio meme we always

965
00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:17,970
see it's aliens

966
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:21,030
you know so I don't really like that the

967
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:22,920
show has done that or that that is the

968
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:26,400
representation in pop culture for UFOs

969
00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:28,410
and extraterrestrials I agree I agree

970
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,380
with you so much and you know Dean and I

971
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:33,599
struggled when we were at this event you

972
00:40:36,890 --> 00:40:35,310
know when we're in the vendor rooms you

973
00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:36,900
know you know we're trying to make our

974
00:40:40,820 --> 00:40:38,940
money back on traveling there and

975
00:40:42,830 --> 00:40:40,830
absolutely you know we wrote books for a

976
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,840
reason you know get information out but

977
00:40:47,180 --> 00:40:44,880
also you know make a little little cash

978
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:47,190
on the side to help us fund our further

979
00:40:51,020 --> 00:40:49,500
research we're not millionaires by any

980
00:40:54,109 --> 00:40:51,030
sense of the word when we do these

981
00:40:56,030 --> 00:40:54,119
things but again like people were rabid

982
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:56,040
buying stuff left and right left and

983
00:40:59,780 --> 00:40:58,410
right and we we just looked at each

984
00:41:02,420 --> 00:40:59,790
other at one point we're like you know

985
00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:02,430
the only reason that we're doing so well

986
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:04,230
here is because of Giorgio tsoukalos

987
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:06,690
that's right and we both admitted it

988
00:41:11,570 --> 00:41:08,730
we're like yeah like these people came

989
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,580
to have an experience to think but they

990
00:41:16,310 --> 00:41:13,280
also came to see this now iconic

991
00:41:18,830 --> 00:41:16,320
celebrity from absolutely and you know

992
00:41:20,810 --> 00:41:18,840
if we can sort of sort of use that to

993
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,820
our advantage to get people interested

994
00:41:26,089 --> 00:41:23,520
in what we're talking about why not so

995
00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:26,099
it's tough it's a struggle the whole

996
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:28,260
cult of celebrity in and out of the UFO

997
00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:30,660
field is is you know always been a

998
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:33,420
struggle as well but at the end of the

999
00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:35,670
day it was a lot of fun that's kind of

1000
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:37,950
how I was looking at our event is it was

1001
00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:40,650
fun was it insightful and informational

1002
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:43,260
yeah yeah it was every now and again but

1003
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,170
overall it was just a good good time and

1004
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:48,480
got a lot of weirdos together to just

1005
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:51,330
celebrate aliens so that's awesome man

1006
00:41:54,410 --> 00:41:52,710
and yeah you have to look at it like

1007
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:54,420
that you know it's just like the the

1008
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:57,180
annual Roswell festival or the

1009
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:00,780
McMinnville festival like those are not

1010
00:42:05,570 --> 00:42:04,740
to be confused with serious research

1011
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,580
gatherings

1012
00:42:09,740 --> 00:42:07,200
they're just fun times they're there

1013
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:09,750
there are places for people to celebrate

1014
00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:13,170
the weird and you know embrace their

1015
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:15,180
weirdness and be around people who like

1016
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:17,609
the things they like and you know Denver

1017
00:42:22,099 --> 00:42:20,339
Comic Con and an alien condos bring in

1018
00:42:24,829 --> 00:42:22,109
the fandom element to you know where you

1019
00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:24,839
get to hang out and see and take photos

1020
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:27,420
with people you've seen on TV so I dig

1021
00:42:31,590 --> 00:42:29,880
it I dig it too man and I mean the last

1022
00:42:35,610 --> 00:42:31,600
thing I'm sort of gonna say to wrap up

1023
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:35,620
my con was we had a during a panel that

1024
00:42:39,930 --> 00:42:37,510
I mentioned earlier with Dean Alioto

1025
00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:39,940
alejandro rojas and myself talking about

1026
00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:43,030
hollywood in ufos we we did a Q&A after

1027
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:44,350
a couple people asked questions about

1028
00:42:48,750 --> 00:42:46,510
certain movies this that and then I'm

1029
00:42:52,350 --> 00:42:48,760
not kidding you this kid he had to be no

1030
00:42:54,330 --> 00:42:52,360
older than like 10 12 maybe he gets up

1031
00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:54,340
to the mic and he says hello gentlemen

1032
00:43:00,420 --> 00:42:58,570
my question for you is what president do

1033
00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:00,430
you think hasn't been most interested in

1034
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:03,550
UFOs because I remember seeing Bill

1035
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:07,210
Clinton talking about this topic when he

1036
00:43:11,610 --> 00:43:09,310
was president and also Hillary meeting

1037
00:43:14,610 --> 00:43:11,620
with rockefeller and talking about this

1038
00:43:16,770 --> 00:43:14,620
as well it really we were stunned dang

1039
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:16,780
this kid could barely reach the

1040
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:18,310
microphone they had to bring it down to

1041
00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:20,530
him and he was able to like pull up this

1042
00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:22,990
pretty obscure kind of reference to

1043
00:43:28,290 --> 00:43:26,230
presidents and UFOs nice oh my god like

1044
00:43:30,060 --> 00:43:28,300
the audience started laughing when he

1045
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:30,070
asked the question but we were all like

1046
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:33,970
holy [\h__\h] like let's let's tell him like

1047
00:43:39,150 --> 00:43:36,970
what we know about it so noses [\h__\h] yeah

1048
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:39,160
uh-huh Joe went into the whole story and

1049
00:43:44,610 --> 00:43:41,200
the kid took it in and he just goes

1050
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:44,620
thank you and walked away like that was

1051
00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:46,690
it for me man if the con had ended there

1052
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:49,180
I would have been like oh my god a 10 to

1053
00:43:54,990 --> 00:43:51,900
12 year-old is inquiring about

1054
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:55,000
presidents in UFOs like that if I'd been

1055
00:43:59,310 --> 00:43:56,650
doing that at age 10 I can't even

1056
00:44:01,020 --> 00:43:59,320
imagine so that would kind of culminated

1057
00:44:03,140 --> 00:44:01,030
the whole event for me is the future of

1058
00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:03,150
ufology looks bright even among

1059
00:44:08,190 --> 00:44:05,740
celebrity with all of this ancient alien

1060
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:08,200
stuff there are young minds out there

1061
00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:10,630
looking into this topic and we can only

1062
00:44:15,090 --> 00:44:12,460
hope that they continue to do it so

1063
00:44:18,060 --> 00:44:15,100
that's kind of my my wrap-up for mine

1064
00:44:20,130 --> 00:44:18,070
how about you well I just loved seeing

1065
00:44:22,110 --> 00:44:20,140
the interest you know I mean you and I

1066
00:44:24,210 --> 00:44:22,120
know the interest is there most people

1067
00:44:27,180 --> 00:44:24,220
you know are interested in this topic

1068
00:44:30,210 --> 00:44:27,190
and most people have some sort of

1069
00:44:32,730 --> 00:44:30,220
personal connection to it too but I love

1070
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:32,740
seeing that the stigma is slowly going

1071
00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:33,130
away

1072
00:44:37,590 --> 00:44:35,950
people love to celebrate you know

1073
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:37,600
whatever weirdness they have and that's

1074
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:39,910
what what Comic Cons are really known

1075
00:44:44,430 --> 00:44:41,770
for they're just like this celebration

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of being who you are

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and what you like you know not being

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ashamed to say I love my little pony or

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whatever you like you know so when you

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bring UFOs into that same type of crowd

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or the same type of environment people

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get to celebrate their love of UFOs the

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love of extraterrestrials and their

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curiosity for those topics so it's why I

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really love Denver Comic Con and love

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supporting it because they've just been

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so receptive to it they identify that

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that desire that that hunger for you

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know more information about these topics

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is there so they want to fill it and I'm

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happy to do it as long as I continue to

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be invited and I want to bring it to you

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other locations as well so that's my

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plan man I mean I really hope to do more

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of these panels at different conventions

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around the country I have no doubt

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that's going to happen with a success of

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Denver Comic Con with a success of alien

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Con I think this topic like you said is

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only becoming more mainstream with what

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Tom DeLonge is doing and everything in

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between

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I think we really do live in a new era

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of not disclosure but the UFO topic

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becoming legitimate and worth studying

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more now than ever in a world where you

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know what we're scared weren't certain

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about whatever comes next especially in

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America so if we can look to that other

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for hope that's all we can truly ask for

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now I have to ask you before we go Jason

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what comes next I know you've got some

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trips coming up you Falah djegal in some

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sense what can we expect from you and

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00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:23,260
rogue planet in the near future oh we're

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gonna be having some fun in Roswell

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Roswell I'm super excited for Roswell I

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mean I say that I've been there a couple

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times now and we're all smells kind of a

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depressing place a whole lot there and

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it's kind of a pain in the ass to get to

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you but that being said I mean it's

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Roswell you know you got to go and and

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the festival is crazy and fun and a lot

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of a lot of familiar faces there so it's

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good to go and and in experience the the

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annual celebration there but yeah I'm

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going to be doing some interviews and

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some stuff

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for some upcoming things from rogue

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planet so there's gonna be a lot of

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social media happening during that trip

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awesome I cannot wait to see and hear

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all of that and Jason man I'm so happy

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we got to sit down

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debrief after our very eventful but

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exhausting events this past week I

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wouldn't have it any other way

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hell yeah man it sounds like yours was a

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blast I know mine was a blast so you

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know they just happen to be on the same

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weekend we got we got to cover all the

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bases right exactly exactly and there's

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only more to come so that's right that's

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right all right that is it for this

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week's episode again my thanks goes out

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to Jason McClellan for coming on and

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talking all about his experiences at

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Denver Comic Con if you know of any

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conventions coming to your hometown

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where you think a UFO panel might be of

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interest please reach out to Jason and I

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and we'd love to talk to you more in

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depth about bringing rogue planet and

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Jason and Maureen are up to at rogue

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